A recent Guardian article and BBC program (13:30–20:30 minutes) discussed the “myth of good posture,” and two main takeaways from these pieces were that comfort trumps posture and that good posture includes an S-shaped spine. We’d like to respond.
Our culture is confused about posture. When you have back pain you want to navigate to the best solution quickly. What you don’t want is to get lost in a landscape of incomplete and conflicting information, poor advice, bias, and historical baggage.
Over time, experience and good research will generally clarify matters. A good example of this is the sweeping change in the advice given to people recovering from heart disease. Back in the 1930s, the standard advice following a heart attack was 6 weeks of lying bedrest. Not surprisingly, heart function and general health deteriorated rapidly. By the 1950s there was a study demonstrating that chair rest brought better results, and in 1968 the first study showed that rehabilitative exercise was hugely beneficial . The American Heart Association now recommends an extensive cardiac rehab and exercise program wherever possible.
Of course it takes serious studies and evidence for authorities to change their view and for health advice to change. We currently need a root and branch reappraisal of postural health in our culture, and a good start would be by debunking two of the most common posture myths.
Any debate about posture could involve consideration of what we do with every part of the body — now that’s a 227-page book called 8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back that I’ve already written! For this feature, let’s just narrow down the argument to the shape of the spine.
Myth #1: Comfort matters, posture doesn’t
Some prominent voices in this debate say that any style of sitting is fine so long as it is comfortable, claiming that the concept of good posture itself is a myth. Typically, comfortable sitting is equated with slouching because it is the only way people know to be both relaxed and comfortable. You can stay like that for hours. But what happens when it’s over months, years, and decades?
Feeling no immediate pain does not mean that there is no damage occurring. Much back pain is the result of long-term degeneration that remains apparently “problem-free” for years. If you advocate slumped sitting, you are disregarding the uneven loading of discs and bones and the overstretching of spinal ligaments that comes with a C-shaped spine.
Hunching compresses the spinal discs, causing degeneration and related problems.
In our culture, it is not unusual to have disc degeneration, osteoarthritis, and stenosis by middle age, and so these things have come to be seen as somewhat inevitable, or even “normal.”
It is interesting that the exponents of slouched sitting would rarely advocate this spinal shape for standing or walking. But observation of posture shows that when the pelvis is habitually tucked, as in slumped sitting, the tissues adjust to this position, making it both habitual and more likely to carrying over into standing, walking, and bending. Typically the C-shaped spine will be found alongside over-tight hamstrings, tight psoas muscles, and weak core muscles.
To claim that there is no correlation between a slumped posture and back pain flies in the face of research findings and common sense.
Myth #2: The S-spine produces the best posture
The second myth does believe that posture matters, but that the best posture comes when the spine can be described as S-shaped.
A child sitting in a slumped way will often be told to “sit up straight,” which, if the pelvis is already tucked in the slumped C-shape, will necessitate tensing the lumbar area, creating a sway there and a curved upper back. Together, these then produce the familiar S-spine, which is now widely regarded as ideal and the mainstay of good posture. It’s even seen in most medical textbooks and the windows of the high street chiropractors, osteopaths, and physical therapists!
Given that the spine consists of vertebrae and intervertebral discs with essentially parallel upper and lower surfaces, the exaggerated arching of the S-spine will lead to compressed discs, leading to wear and tear, bulging, and even herniation. It places abnormal loads onto the vertebrae, encouraging calcium deposition in compressed places, leading to arthritic development and bone spurs, as well as insufficient calcium deposition in the right places leading to localized osteoporosis. There is also less space in places for nerves and circulation which may be constricted.
One particular piece of research throws some light on this. Unlike other researchers, Jackson & McManus distinguished between curvature in the upper lumbar, and curvature in the lower lumbar areas of the low back. They found that curvature in the upper lumbar — indicative of an S-spine shape — was correlated with increased back pain, while curvature lower down — which indicates a J-spine shape — was not .
The drawing on the left shows an S-spine, while the one on the right shows a less curved spine, or J-spine. These drawings appeared in early anatomy textbooks. As the one on the right appeared much earlier than the one on the left, we can see that we used to promote much less curve.
Ironically, as long as this stress-producing architecture is regarded as the norm and by definition, “good posture,” people will indeed be inclined to argue that posture is not relevant in combatting back pain!
To find data that shows genuine back health we have to move beyond the myth of the S-spine. A logical place to look is among populations that have remarkably low rates of back pain.
In the industrialized world an estimated 80% of the adult population will suffer a serious episode of back pain in their lives . By contrast, the prevalence of back pain in rural south China is only 12–14% and in a mountainous farming community in the Philippines, 7% . Genuine good posture that correlates with being pain-free is found to have a J-spine, characterized by a curve low down in the lumbar at L5/S1 and a relatively flat straight spine above that. We can see this same natural human architecture in our own infant population, many of our athletes, and images of our ancestors.
Babies, many athletes, and our ancestors showed J-spines, which have a curve at L5/S1 and a straight spine above that.
We are hopeful that the power of the argument for the J-spine will soon attract the resources for the full-scale studies it deserves. However, there is already good crowdsourced evidence for the J-spine taught in the Gokhale Method Foundations Course. Healthoutcome.org gives anyone a chance to rate how any given intervention helped their wellbeing. According to the site’s founder, once the number of ratings has reached 80, the findings are statistically significant and reliable. The Gokhale Method is, by a wide margin, the highest-ranking intervention for low back pain on www.healthoutcome.org. This site’s crowdsourced data on lower back pain has been found by Stanford University researchers to correlate with randomized controlled trial (RCT) results .
The Gokhale Method has honed an efficient and effective pathway to get from a place of pain and discomfort to where you want to be — pain-free — with the right posture! If you have already enjoyed the benefits of what we teach, or would like to see this viewpoint given wider circulation, then help shape the debate by contacting your national and local media with this article — and of course, feel free to share on your own social media platform.
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Hi Esther, since a few a
since a few a question is rising in my mind time after time:
in traditional martial arts and in some more practises is teached "the horse position"... i figure that like you have to keep a nice kidney been feet, a slightly flexed knee, just "soft" not bend"... it sounds all good to me, but when it comes on the pelvis is encouraged to tuck it a little bit "to make the lumbar spine straight".
I prefer to tuck the rib cage to transform the S in J.
It feels different when i keep j spine and when i try to tuck a little bit, following the indication of Master DK Yoo, i mean "something is going different in energy flowing".
I'm confused, can you spread some light on this argument, please?
Maybe what was good for perfect postured ancient oriental martialist must be revisited? I know that asian people got a slightly different L5-S1 angle, maybe it plays a role too?
I pretend this quetion is attinent to the post, why is an exaple how can be usefull to decode the advices from experts sometimes and maybe adapt the it to our personal situation. :-)
Dear Esther, would you be
Dear Esther, would you be able to tell me what the BBC programme was on this subject? I would like to get in touch with them. Like you, I'm horrified that we are seeing nonsense like this on mainstream TV and in a high profile newspaper in the UK. Thank you. Alison
The links are above.
The links are above.
Unless Esther has martial
Unless Esther has martial arts experience, I think this question will be difficult to understand, so here goes... Koreans decided to change the format and form of tae kwon do in the 1980s in a bid to make it an Olympic sport. They succeeded, but the cost was the true form of the martial art itself. Young Koreans have slouched over there desks and computers for ages, now it is showing up in the marital art. I studied and taught TKD for 20+ years, there are a bunch of national medals in my basement, but I switched to Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu jitsu because they are more effective and the movement styles are much better for overall body development. There are also many knee and back injuries among tae kwon do practitioners - if you look around, you will see the injuries are the same regardless of the type of person. The new form of tae kwon do was made very rapidly in a bid to make it look more modern, differentiate it from karate and boxing, etc, for the Olympics. It has become a very widespread sport, but that's it. Give Muay Thai a try as they are still using the body movements from ancient times. Also, there are ancient drawings and such from Korea and China showing original body positions that are the same as Gokhale. Good luck.
Bogus, absolute hogwash!In
Bogus, absolute hogwash!
In the Guardian article, O'Sullivan says "“If you don’t have back pain, then do not give your posture one second’s thought – think about being healthy."
- Ummm, so, why don't we wait until a diagnosis of an illness before we begin to reduce sugar and eat greens?
He says “After someone has back pain, I would suggest they go to get a bit of advice from a qualified person about how can they can move with more confidence and less pain”.
- Ohhh, we should wait for pain to be in full force before learning how to move well. Why bother to learn what it takes to prevent it?
Mind-blowing logic here!
A smart response is this comment made by a reader on the Guardian article: "A wiser principle might be: when statistical assessment is tricky, rely on common sense".
Ever grateful for having discovered the Gokhale Method,
I couldn't agree more, the
I couldn't agree more, the article is nonsense!
However, I do not understand the J shape, you are saying that when we keep a long spine (like in the images) there is only one curve? What happened with the 3 curves in the spine i.e. neutral position?
The spine isn't a straight line.
We don't mean a literal J -
We don't mean a literal J - it's just closer to a J than an S. It's a stylized, modern kind of J. There are 3 curves in the spine - just not so S'y!
3 curves, just not nearly as
3 curves, just not nearly as pronounced as modern-day textbooks would have you believe. It's close to a modern, stylized J - certainly not a curvy S.
Posture is not a conscious
Posture is not a conscious thing. It is unconscious therefore controlled by the nervous system. Just look at someone antalgic (bent over) with low back pain. Trust me they would love to stand up straight and have good posture but that would hurt, so the nervous system forces muscles to contract to keep them antalgic. It comes down to nerves only.
What good “sitting” does is redirects the force to a more biomechanically advantageous position where the body can absorb the force better. Posture is an will always be an unconscious activity because unless you are actively thinking about how you sit or move, it can’t be controlled. Even the muscles that control vertebrae and hence disc position are involuntary.
The J shaped spine does make much more sense than the S shaped, in fact as we start correcting subluxations (chiropractic conditions), I see the J shaped spine come out much more frequently when the nerve interference is reduced or minimized. This J shaped model makes much more sense.
Once again though, spine position (S or J, etc) are under involuntary control of the nervous system. Everyone has different bone structures, different disc shapes, and even different degeneration patterns so normal is individualistic. However, as we correct subluxations, I see their spines normalizing more toward the J pattern. Thanks for promoting this structure. Couple your movements with a good chiropractor chronic pain and disease, surgery, and drugs could be significantly reduced.
Now that we have our
Now that we have our Gokhale SpineTracker™ wearable to track the shape of the spine over time, it's striking how much change people make in their baseline spinal shape by practicing the techniques we teach. Posture, neural stimuli, back pain, physiology, and psychology are interconnected...change can happen at multiple points in this web.
In reply to Traditional
In reply to Traditional Martial Arts teaching a tucked pelvis: I read your comments and heard these same comments from two other students of martial arts.
I've studied Tai Chi Chuan and Qigong since 1985 and taught since 1989. I've never been instructed to tuck my pelvis nor have I ever taught pelvis tucking.
"A beautiful upright spine" is what I've been taught and teach.
Kathleen, Certified Tai Chi Instructor
Thanks, I agree. Never was
Thanks, I agree. Never was told to tuck, attended martial arts classes for years.
I'm so glad this question
I'm so glad this question came up about martial arts and the tucked pelvis. I have been taking chen style taiji for four years and I am confused when the sifu instructs us to tuck the pelvis under. There are other instructions that are consistent with Gokhale Method such as head position but the pelvis tucking confuses me. Kathleen, what style of taiji to you teach? Thanks!
Hi Kathleen,you think it is
you think it is possible that is a misguided advice in martial arts, that maybe "anchor your ribs" can be a safer way to get your spine more straight?
Thank you for your reply, a contribute from some "veteran" in traditional martial arts is precious to me!
I just saw an awesome modern
I just saw an awesome modern photo,
This post reminds me of a
This post reminds me of a question I've been wating to ask for a while: beyond "sit up straight", what are some tips for helping preschool children retain/recapture their natural healthy posture. Setting a good example is of course #1, but posture is a whole-culture thing, and so far I haven't managed to do a great job with my 3 and 5 year olds; I'm trying to be more conscious about their baby sister's postural development, too. Any ideas,resources. or even a blog post would be wonderful. Thanks!